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POSTED BY: wildbird on 07/14/2007 17:04:36


  I got a 160 dollar ticket and got set down for 8 hours by dot for not having my log books up to date. It was at the ringgold, tn. scale and dot was spot checking. I just went to work for the company and it was my first load out. I loaded then went to bed. I got up ate breakfast and started out. I didn't even turn on my cb or raido yet. and i for got that the scales were just 5 miles from the truck stop where I slept. Boy I didn't ever do that again. I still think log books are important. but I always had to map out my route and stops and fuel stops so I wouldn't get this again.


Hope I am not to windy,


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POSTED BY: ricky2182 on 08/17/2007 11:11:22


That sucks, DOT will always be in our pockets no matter what or how straight your paperwork is. These states run off of our fines. Its bad when we have to worry about the law more than a drug dealer and where trying to earn a legit living.
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POSTED BY: NightWind on 08/18/2007 08:23:31


Be thankful that you didn't get inspected in Alabama because it's over $500.00 per violation! I think log books are a joke always have always will simply because there are too many ways around them and they can never be accurate because of human error. They should put drivers back under the wage and hour laws and then no one would run over hours unless they like working for free. Pay drivers for the hours they can legally work, including overtime and that solves the problem. Yes there will be some fools that think they are beating the system just like we have now but the majority will run legal and safe.




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POSTED BY: nightbreed on 06/27/2008 18:56:59


The main problem with the HOS is that they are virtually unchanged for over 60 years. The laws, as written are un-realistic and do not address todays roads, drivers or equipment. Remember that these laws were written in a time with no interstate system. Most roads were 2 lane turtle backs, 4 lanes existed in the larger metro areas, if at all. These 3 day trips coast to coast trips we make today, took weeks.


The truck would literally beat the living day lights out of you. Fixed seat (even bench seats) NO air ride, anywhere. No power steering, no turbos, NO AC, nothing. None of the things we take for granted today. (Did you know the first sleeper was in the front of the TRAILER?)

Result:

Truckers were quite literally hugh, big men, masssive arms, chests like grizzlies. These men could pick you up and break you like a twig. And they paid a big price. Bad backs, internal damage, swollen joints, some other, nastier things, we just don't need to go into.

Today it is quite common for one of these big growling trucks to roll to a stop in a truck stop and a 90 pound woman steps out. I've seen some that can hardly carry their shower bags, but they handle a 40 ton truck with ease.

We are still restricted to that old rugged day.

In my outlaw days, I could cover more ground in a 24 hour period than these old trucker could in a month. Give me a week and I could cover more than they might in 6 months. I'm sure there are those of you that can say the same. I/we paid a price, but nothing like those guys did.

In todays, controled corperate fleets, life is honestly easy. Follow the rules and work "steady" and you can make a good living, with little ill effects.

The only good thing that has happened with HOS is the 34 hour reset. You can keep the 11/14 rules, in fact I have a suggestion for a place that the dot can put them. I don't need 11 hours to do the job, and it sux that companies want that extra hour. (I don't give it, unless it does ME some good) I also don't need the 10 hour break. (I didn't need the 8) I only sleep about 4 to 5 hours, been that way all my life. Others do, shrug. I do believe that we need to be rested, we need a way to regulate and document this time spent. Thus we have the log book.

Learn it, live it, love it. (ok that was just stupid, but you get the idea.)

New drivers; Spend the time it takes to learn the proper, legal way to do your logs. take the time EVERY morning and at every change of duty status to open that book and make a mark.

Experianced drivers don't need to be told this, even though some don't do it. (They will pay the price)

I went 12 years before I got my first log book violation, then I got the only other one I ever got within 4 weeks. Why?

I got lazy and complacent. Then I got caught by surprise, TWICE. This was under the old 10/15 rules with split bunk logging. Was easy to get away with almost anything back then.







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POSTED BY: NightWind on 08/02/2008 15:05:00


AGHH  don't get me started on the HOS. I believe and will always believe that we should be paid by the hour including time and half, holiday pay along with decent benefits and sick days just like the other PROFESSIONS receive. HOS AND LOG BOOKS are a JOKE and a waste of time.
We work for peanuts are as disposable as a bic lighter, treated like second class citizens.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE the industry as an industry, the job with ALL the headaches is the BEST there is as far as I am concerned. 
However we need and DESERVE to be appreciated for the hard work, risk and sacrifices we make to keep this nation moving.
I've learned that the ONLY way to make someone pay attention is to hit them in the billfold if I've tried every other aspect of it and gotten nowhere.

I know in my heart that I am right and we would all be better off on the clock but getting the government to listen to that proposal is like getting two truckers to agree on anything for 5 minutes or finding parking at the T/A in Ontario after 5:00 PM.





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POSTED BY: wildbird on 08/03/2008 08:37:34



NightWind wrote:

AGHH  don't get me started on the HOS. I believe and will always believe that we should be paid by the hour including time and half, holiday pay along with decent benefits and sick days just like the other PROFESSIONS receive. HOS AND LOG BOOKS are a JOKE and a waste of time.
We work for peanuts are as disposable as a bic lighter, treated like second class citizens.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE the industry as an industry, the job with ALL the headaches is the BEST there is as far as I am concerned. 
However we need and DESERVE to be appreciated for the hard work, risk and sacrifices we make to keep this nation moving.
I've learned that the ONLY way to make someone pay attention is to hit them in the billfold if I've tried every other aspect of it and gotten nowhere.

I know in my heart that I am right and we would all be better off on the clock but getting the government to listen to that proposal is like getting two truckers to agree on anything for 5 minutes or finding parking at the T/A in Ontario after 5:00 PM.

Nightwind,
      when I got of of long haul I worked locally at $12.50 an hour. I eared from $500 to $700 a week clear  I didn"t have to keep any logs and at last I could buy a home and settle in. It took me 6 years to get where I was before my car accident.
    I bought a nice used trailer it will be payed off in 13 months. I am now on SS. I still miss trucking when I smell decal fumes. Ha! Ha!
  I don't miss DOT!!!





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POSTED BY: NightWind on 08/04/2008 08:49:46


Driving locally is some thing that I've done and enjoyed. I made more money and kept more money in my pocket doing that than I did over the road.
I'd say in the future there won't be OTR truckers as we know it now. Trucks will run certain areas, doing drop and hook, trailer swaps. Some companies are already doing it because they see the savings in repairs, fuel cost and driver retention. They pay by the hour with benefits. I know I won't live to see this industry wide change but I know it'll happen in the future.





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POSTED BY: wildbird on 08/04/2008 10:06:09



NightWind wrote:

Driving locally is some thing that I've done and enjoyed. I made more money and kept more money in my pocket doing that than I did over the road.
I'd say in the future there won't be OTR truckers as we know it now. Trucks will run certain areas, doing drop and hook, trailer swaps. Some companies are already doing it because they see the savings in repairs, fuel cost and driver retention. They pay by the hour with benefits. I know I won't live to see this industry wide change but I know it'll happen in the future.

I agree 100% the local trip and such are the only way to go. With the cost of fuel and all things considered it will work and much better for the drivers and also the company.





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